Episode 014 - DMC Devil May Cry

In this conversation, two friends discuss starting a podcast while one of them has a sick child in the other room. They introduce themselves and talk about their day. They mention that they are starting their spooky-themed episodes and discuss a video game called Devil May Cry. They talk about the game's reception and their personal opinions on it. They mention the developer, Ninja Theory, and briefly discuss another game by the same developer called Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice. They talk about playing the game on Steam and their experience with it. One friend mentions that they haven't played hack and slash games before, but they enjoyed Devil May Cry. The other friend asks if they would be interested in playing other games in the series, and they say they wouldn't say no. So should we should we start the show? I have a sick child in the other room. So this might not go anywhere We can I don't what would you like to discuss? How do you feel? Well, if we're going in order, yeah, and if I remember correctly, we're in spooky times. I'm already scared. So You know, actually, you know, we probably should do we should probably uh introduce introduce the uh introduce the podcast Three two one backlog Uh, welcome back to three two one backlog, this is a Podcast about video games. I am one of the hosts james. This is my other buddy here My good friend alec a connoisseur of all things beard. How you doing today, man? You had a great day so far, I believe Oh Oh, no, dude Oh, man, no, I uh, my fridays are either Uh, just just a joke of nothing to do Or they're ridiculous with work or like today i've got a sick Nine month old who is who is not doing well. He's napping right now. So we're going to see We're going to see how long that lasts. Yeah So who knows how long he's reporting to the big what a blast dude Yes, I feel like I think you kind of mentioned this but I think a nine month old would Either nap for no time at all or an entire month. Yeah, pretty much. Um, The the cut is i'm sorry. I just put candy in my mouth his uh, what are we eating? Oh, well as well, I didn't tell you but I am I decided to go keto earlier this week. Oh nice Of course i'm having sweet tarts Okay Those are a sugar-free snack. That's how well my week has gone. Um, i'm gonna wash it down with coca-cola So, you know i'm gonna i'm i'm drinking your question. I'm sitting on a chair drinking pre-workout. So here we go Yeah, I finished mine about an hour ago Uh, what was your question I feel like you asked me something how um, yeah, so he's he's just doing well He's doing all right. He had a really like a wet raspy cough. Okay And you know every time he wakes up, you know, he's full, you know The snot's running the chest very congested all that stuff. We got an appointment later today Just waiting for that. It's it's I mean, I thought it was difficult for adults to be seen last minute But getting kids to be seen is not much easier. I feel like kids and animals is worse Yeah, yeah. Well, I could god bless him dude. Good luck. I wish I could I wish I could honestly say Let me know if you need anything, but I can't do anything for you unless you want You know Do you want me to make a joke about your kid being sick? He needs uncle james. Yeah What game are we talking about speaking of sick kids? Do you want to talk about a game with sick kids or do you want to talk about a game? With a guy who had a sick kid childhood Well as as we as we all know you and I and people listening Today is our first episode in the spooky season. Yep. It's october for you guys We're we're talking about we're going into our season of spook and the first game we brought up was Just to ease us in we're not going too too crazy with uh with the with the scariness, but just starting with What was that? I don't know. I was just watching a podcast earlier before this with a porn star in it And there's all the stuff you're saying is just hidden weird. We're gonna ease into it I don't know man. Go on Uh, well, we're we're we've played and we are now discussing Uh devil may cry is a dmc devil may cry dmc devil may cry. Yes the uh, It's like the revitalize what reboot of the series attempted That was all in dude that didn't mute I wonder if you're using your webcam mic because you do sound a little bit Yeah, oh no We're gonna back up then we'll just do the intro again, I guess no here. Um, how about now does that change it? Oh, man, you sound like a million bucks. We'll leave it Well, so we'll we'll we'll let everyone know wonder why my voice just changed Puberty. Yep. I just went through all the puberty right now. Yeah, i'm glad we figured that out now Can you imagine if can you imagine? Yeah yeah, i'm wondering how that edit's gonna go because I went to clear my throat with the fury of a thousand suns and you're like Yeah, that all came through Well, i'm glad we i'm glad you did I saw you mute it and I was like, oh he's gonna do something nasty Oh speaking of something nasty man, did you like this game? Uh, so Dude, wait, have you ever played a devil may cry game before I have not I you know anything about them Other than like like I feel like it's one of those games for me. Like i've known the name of it Like oh, yeah devil may cry. It's it's a video game With with devils or something. I've never played one and I don't think i've ever seen one played either Okay, so I I did not know what we were getting into yeah this specific game I guess it was a reboot of the series uh 2013 All platforms ps3 xbox 360 windows. It was apparently received pretty well I guess like from in general the reviews were good like nine out of ten on steam Just googling shit here euro gamer was an eight out of ten Game stopped four and a half out of five But I think among fans of the series this was kind of a black Sheep a little bit they had like a rough patch But this was I was excited to play this game and I I was under a false pretense I thought this game was popular because it was good. I guess this game is popular because it's not great It's like in you know, like thematically great quality great gameplay great what or just Maybe it was so Yeah Yes, the answer is probably sure maybe it was it was it was trying to hold up to the hype of a game that was Very well known before. Yeah, I think that so I played devil may cry one through three playstation 2 I think and then I played a little bit of devil may cry 4 and it kind of disappointed because it Wasn't focused on the characters that we were familiar with then this one came out as a prequel So I think the people were very hyped for it and thought it was going to be really good It wasn't a bad game gameplay wise, but it was just pretty fucking cheesy There was a lot of cheese with this game and then a lot of i've got i've got things to discuss But I think it's generally regarded as a low point in the series among fans and I this specific one This specific one. Yeah, and I was excited to play it because I Saw if there's a youtuber I watched that's been reviewing these over the last couple months Which kind of got me hyped to play it But he put out a review for this one and I hadn't played it yet but all I saw was him saying like I am very excited to play this game and that and then I was like, okay Well, I I don't want to spoil it for myself. So I cut the video, but I guess those are the reasons It was kind of controversial. Ah but It was it. Yeah Because it was bad kind of yeah, I I personally don't think it was I dude I played it I think In two sittings I enjoyed it a lot. So Ninja theory was the publisher developer platform rating critics score everything about this. I just noticed in all of the Credits early in the game. It was like ninja theory ninja theory ninja theory ninja It's like yeah, we I don't know who that is, but I fucking get it I feel like i've heard them the with without with i've seen that name before. I know ninja theory's been around Oh, wow, what else do they do? Because I feel like I know coblades and it was that's one of those sacrifice. Yeah Yeah, is that game cheesy? Um That game is interesting. That's a whole discussion. Okay Yeah, which I would love to do on the podcast because i've i've watched that game play but they're coming out with a second one I'd love to actually play it I think I might have that game on steam. I don't know for certain but yeah It's I probably have it on some platform because it's probably been given out. But yeah, so The 2013 it's a little bit of an older game Um, it was on my backlog this series that was I was gonna bring that this came out in 2013 you said yeah 10 years ago. Wow. Okay. All right, so that clears some things up for me Yeah, I feel like it like kind of Fit the time period of being like edgy and like moderately to severely sexist. Oh my god, dude I mean, I mean, dude Let me the intro is just straight up like Yeah, it was pretty crazy Almost almost yeah Did you All right. Well, I don't know so you played it on steam on the steam deck. Yeah steam deck Yeah, I played it on my pc because my deck was still dead. That's right. That's right But it was it was kind of I don't know it was kind of like reminiscent of like the time before that like I still Played with a controller, but I just plugged in and on my computer and played that way Yeah, it played it played very well, uh on on the deck everything was it was responsive it was Graphically for a 2015 game. It was on par. I I thought I think I I didn't look anything up For this game I had ahead of time Uh, I think I just thought that it was newer because I I didn't have any frame of of what this Of really the details around the franchise So I thought this like it came out like a year or two ago or something I I didn't know when it had come out. Oh, can you imagine? We shattered one of your rules man. There is four games I think ahead of that really dmc one through four and this was the fifth game and then they made dmc five Well cut the recording off. We're done Good night, sweet prince. But yeah, I mean they're very do you even have interest would you even like in retrospect? Would you even have interest in playing other games of the series? Uh If I mean I wouldn't flat out say no it wouldn't be anything from my side of the of the list uh, I I think I think because What would you categorize this game as it was like? Action hack and slash. Yeah I've never really done hack and slash games The only it's like god of war on steroids the only hack and slash games I remember doing and I don't even know if this fully qualifies remember, um On meth was it dynasty warriors? You remember that unfamiliar hated. I just it was it was very weird. I mean, there's been like a 30 of them um, I think that was the only like you're the one guy with hundreds of enemies That's the only hype of game like that that i've played uh years and years ago, but with the with the when I started playing it because I I uh Confession I did not finish my playthrough of this game bastard, and i'm kind of not surprised because it became Very repetitive. Yeah in between stories I enjoyed what I what I ended up playing through and then what I subsequently went and watched I did enjoy The story they were kind of trying to tell Some of the acting choices and dialogue choices were a little funky, but you know it dude If you're familiar with the series, there's like some real bad dialogue and acting choices so, you know, I I I think it was it was good there, so I did enjoy that but I the older I get the more repetitive and like Grindy if there's like oh, hey, this is the section of the game where you grind like I don't want it I'm starting to realize I don't like that more and more as I get older because i'm like As today and this weekend is going to turn into i'm running out of time So if i'm sitting there doing a game and like if I have to spend hours and hours to just Do a repetitive thing to make to make progressing the game easier or just happen I lose interest very very quickly. Yeah, so so yeah, that's 10 out of 10. Yeah 10 out of 10. I mean i'm i'd even dial it up to 11. So You know, but I I I like certain things of it I didn't like certain things of it, I think the combat was good I really I think the combat in the game was really good Especially when you get further in it and there's a lot of different weapons in it I thought the gameplay of that was good. I'll say i'll mention this This will be the first out of 400 times the fucking platform in this game was annoying It was I hated it. Yeah, I didn't like I didn't like especially when you get the weapons where you can like Zipline or whatever you want to call it like grapple hook and stuff right in the combat Yeah in the combat part of it was great You had the ability to either pull an enemy to you or pull yourself to an enemy And you could actively pick what you were going to do. That was cool But like I don't care about grapple hooking ziplining to platforms jumping between things using the little Glide function, right? It was annoying. Yeah, I mean that was the biggest like just felt like a slog when I when I start seeing a mechanic come into play where Your character has to jump and or double jump and then you can then get in the air to your maximum point and then dash forward And I was like, yeah, it's not it's it's certain games have that particular mechanic and it's weird Yeah, or he had it but double jumping was an upgrade but just in general Oh, yeah. Yeah, it did have a little glide too, but in general man I think double jumping in a game kind of makes it feel Cheap a little bit especially dude, especially this game you start out with it Double jumping in the first dmc game was an upgrade you could get way later on but this game's setting was weird, man I i'm, sorry It was weird. I hated the limbo part man. I like and that was the whole game That was the thing it was the entire game you were in limbo more than you weren't and that was That wasn't in any of that. I recall that was not in any of the other games And I just remember the first time it happened where the like walls would show up with words on it I was like, wow, that's kind of cool. It's like I thought it was part of the intro I was like, oh, this is cool. This is and then it's like, you know Eight hours later. It's like yeah, fuck you dante on the wall There is there were things I did like about the game. So I don't want to fully trash it I I just it didn't hold my interest enough and I had enough going on outside of podcast games That I kind of had to focus on other things so I wasn't too upset about putting it down. Yeah uh if if you like Hardcore rock music and thrasher music all that amazing soundtrack. Yeah, I I didn't care for it, but it was it was a good fitting. Uh It it fit well and it got me in the mood when I first started playing it the first like hour I played I was genuinely enjoying myself. Oh cool fully it was it was very fun and the music just put me in that thing Yeah, it was it was really nice It was a very impressive intro. I had high hopes for it with the intro of it for gameplay and oh my goodness The intro of just uh, uh Introducing dante where he's flying through his trailer Yeah, and where he's like putting his clothes back on that was amazing If you haven't played this game and just want to watch that scene just watch the opening scene uh of dmc dante, uh dante's dante Cream field Did you Yeah, I I don't know yeah, it was it was a good it was a very good intro and it kind of set me up for like Unrealistic expectations for what the game was because I think that in a lot of ways was the peak of the game For me for gameplay and everything. It just kind of it was like the platforming felt quick and and Aggressive and then it kind of faded out from there very very slowly I wanted to point out one thing just one part I know a lot of the dialogue was kind of cheesy in this game But there was one part where I just cracked up about it There was like a part where you first go into like your childhood memories or something like that Do you recall you go into a mansion? Yes. Yes. Yeah, and your brother You know, he's your brother at this point. I think right bergel bergel I can't remember if he tells you right before or after you go into the mansion. I think possibly right before but yeah Inconsequential I think anyone that knows the series probably knows it's your brother. You guys look similar. You guys are the same age He's a very bad dresser anyway He says be careful going in there. It can get pretty rough and he looks at the girl and he says I like it rough and then he jumps in What if that happened to be his sister? There's really no like they're all about the same age They all clearly have some powers, you know, what if you just look he looks right at his sister and he's like I like it rough And then jumps into this little portal thing. I just thought that was like you shouldn't say stuff like that When you're at a family reunion yeah, I the the dialogue was Was questionable at best As a part of the series dude. Oh my god, the the voice acting was I don't know slightly below par Like it was it was cheesy and corny and and that could have been because of the dialogue they were given I think that's the can't they call that campy and I think that's one of the appeals to the series sometimes Right some people like that hmm But I definitely think it has its place But if you're trying to go if you're if the story ends up being too serious, and then you have that I think it takes away from it So depending on what they were trying to go for For the overall feeling and theme of this game. Yeah, if if it was trying to be campy the whole way great uh, I think some of the Yeah, I don't think it got too heavy. I mean, uh, what was what was the girl's name? the The medium I can't remember her name uh I don't remember either Yeah, I think it was definitely stacy. It was probably I feel like it started with like a k or a kim or something ethyl It was ethyl. Yeah. Yeah with ethyl. All right. So yeah, I mean with the medium ethyl Which 100 is cat. It was cat. I was close cat. Damn it. All right, so Ethel cat was I mean she I guess she had you know, the she had her demons Um in her in her backstory and all that. No, you can't play with that booger Well, my boy's trying to type on the keyboard. That's like Brightly glowing he wants to type having a good time. Yes So how okay did you did you you did not finish this game but are you did you get to the ending The I did I did watch. Yeah, I did. I did watch probably half of it Okay, I watched the whole thing. I played through I think maybe okay, so I think I played through maybe a third of it. Yeah, and then I watched the rest Okay on the youtubes. Did you do you I just thought one thing that was kind of Uh funny to me with there's a guy later on I don't again. I don't remember that guy's name either, but he was missing his eye. It was it was It was a q name like quinton Oh, yeah, probably or it was it was it was like a black guy missing an eye Didn't he have like half of his fucking head missing? Yeah, because I think he had an ability basically Phineas was his name I was close. I was close. Phineas was his name. Yeah it's funny because when he showed up on the screen and I just knew immediately that I was going to spend three chapters of this Game doing something stupid with this guy's eye for just extending the game. I felt myself rolling my eyes which I thought was kind of funny because He was missing his eye. Also, why couldn't he see like why was he completely blind if he was missing one eye? I don't get it. Well, yeah, you got some ability or something like that because of that I don't know. It honestly was just such a dumb part, but I don't know I didn't like any of that part, but the boss after that was 10 out of 10, dude Yeah, I kind of wish I was able to play some of the boss fights again because I I do like boss fights I had the same issue with god of war the continuous ads and enemies like the throwaway ones Yeah got annoying after a while all the like minor demons and stuff that dante has to fight through I don't want to do that over and over again Just let me get to the next story beat and the next boss so I I wish I was able to play some of those the uh, the playthrough I watched was all the story beats and then the boss fights Right, somebody's watching some of those were were pretty were pretty interesting. So I did I did like seeing that bob fucking barbus Is probably one of us that guy is one of my favorite bosses. I think in all uh in in a lot of in almost any game i've ever played just for the It's weird because that was the true highlight of this game for me the other two the other bosses were kind of not Exceptional to me honestly, right but that guy it was it was cool because it was very unique. I feel like it was like There I don't know. Maybe there's another boss similar to this in another game, but i've never seen I don't know the way the boss fight was presented was really cool. And I really liked this scene where it like zoomed out and put you on like a dock and they were basically doing a news report on you and They're like, did you do you remember that? I remember the news story. I remember the news stories coming into play Yeah, or you remember any of the dialogue? Okay, so He's like this hyper conservative christian guy, but he's actually a demon which was kind of funny But when you're fighting on the docks, like they're just talking so much shit about the main character of the game While you're killing. Oh, yeah Yeah, that's right. That's right and they're like they even said something like he's been going to nursing homes and just having sex with old people like just Every like bad slanderous thing they could say about you like they were just putting it in there I I remember his his some of his levels were like like you were walking through like a a limbo version or a a Limbo with like a newsroom kind of yeah, like bright bright whites and reds and yeah Looked like a fox news Uh, uh horror story. I think he was kind of a play on some of the fox news people a little bit, right? Yeah, probably Bob fucking bar from 2013 from 2013. Yeah. Yeah Just bob's fucking artist dude. I did like that boss a lot. I didn't like the platforming leading up to it, but I didn't know what what I was getting into with it. I just thought this is really stupid like Over which boss was the one that was massive. It had a ton of phases. I think it was the The what was the drink? Yeah, the the one with the drink the the in the story the drink I don't remember what the name of the drink was. I didn't do my homework very well but yeah, there was a boss it was it was a succubus which was like kind of Succubuses are supposed to be like tantalizing creatures, right? Like in dnd and yeah in other in other media. Yeah, like a giant Slug yeah like a brood mother or something a queen bee thing like but yeah But yeah, I thought that was that boss fight was lame as hell to me I think it like visually it looked kind of cool when I was watching it back. I didn't again I didn't get that far playing But watching it looked it looked visually interesting I feel like it was the end boss was similar and that it kind of felt like it was like You go through a phase you do some damage and then you have to move to the left or right platform And then get to the next phase and then it would just kind of repeat that That's how the last boss was and that's how the succubus fight was too. I just thought it was kind of boring, right? But cinematically it was nice. What did you think of the the lady in the what did you think of the the main villain? I guess that's what should be brought up because he's kind of the antagonist of the whole story. Yeah, he I I feel like they're trying to make a parallel to something Right, but I couldn't quite grab on to what but yeah, I mean I could probably mutter my way through it and kind of Articulate what I think they're going towards but it's like this guy who's controlling the world through Debt, I think it was and I think what the first evil that guy what a demon what a devil He's talking to I think he we assume The president of the u.s and like got it got him under his thumb or whatever it is So I gave him on this one. Yeah, maybe so I don't know. I think it was interesting. I would have liked I don't know. I don't know. It was there was a weird scene where he was, you know, yeah His his mistress and it was like pulling your skin back and say yeah, it was nasty Yeah, it was it was interesting. I don't know. I don't think I have an opinion about it. I'm trying i'm sitting here Trying to come up with like a genuine thought and it was it's just kind of all right It's just a bad guy Yeah, he was like kind of generic, right? Yeah The mistress lady was more interesting to me just in the sense that it was like what's going on under that skin and why is she like If you can pick how you want to look, why would you look like that? Yeah, you know and and you know, you know, I think part of it was uh, the big bad and barbus The news guy. Yeah looked their models looked slightly similar. There's like an overweight white guy overweight slightly slightly overweight white bald guy Uh barbus, I think had a set of hair. He had like the good boy comb over. I think it was like balding, you know Well, yeah, I mean that's he looked he looked malnourished. Yeah, he looked malnourished but overweight there. It's possible Did you like the fight against the mom the the I don't know if he's got that part of the story so I saw all of it. Uh, let's see. He went to the nightclub. Yeah, and then That was kind of stupid She like trapped him and but basically I think she threw a bunch of stuff at him Yeah, like let's go back to limbo and then fought him I think yeah like if you can finish this annoying platforming bullshit, then You can now fight me and we'll see how that goes I thought that I thought that part was stupid that boss fight was like the hardest boss in the game for me Really? Yeah, the main the final boss was like Mind-numbingly easy. I don't know if it's because I just had a better grasp on the game or more abilities or now Now are we talking we're talking about the the the the the bald guy, right? Yeah, or the last fight of the game, oh, yeah, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's right the bald guy Mundus was the was easy He was probably the easiest boss in the game honestly really for me I thought yeah Yeah, it could be all the abilities because by then you've upgraded and done all this stuff Yeah. Um, oh and I was gonna make this comment earlier. I think that's what broke the enjoyment for me or What kind of like clicked the oh if i've got other stuff to do I think i'll You know, i'll do that and just watch right the first menu I had to go into That that's when it started breaking for me what I think like having you buying menus and upgrading and buying things and it was like The the font used and how it was formatted was very it reminded me of an arcade It I think is reminiscent of the first Of the early titles of the game. It might be a it's a staple of the series God, you would find these statues and then you could upgrade abilities and stuff like that, right? but I think I think and sorry because it we were we were so off this topic, but Oh, excuse me, um as as you're doing your hack and slash fighting everything Raining, you know doing your bullet hell sections and all that Um, you've got this like score up in the top right that's just like counting points or something I didn't quite understand what that was supposed to be. It's just a part of the series. Yeah And it just it just felt arcadey and and oh, yeah Yeah Well, I think capcom is known for like being a big arcade game company, too They make a lot of arcade fighters and stuff. So that kind of Do they do they make street fighter? um That because that was probably if they make resident evil games, which is pretty cool. I didn't Actually, let me tell you that devil may cry. The first game was a was a Uh resident evil game and then they were like, oh, this is a little weird Let's yeah, and if you play it or if you see it, it has a lot of resident evil feel to it Like just the setting you're in this giant offshore mansion I know that's completely irrelevant to anything but They do make street fighter and um, it was yeah, so the the It was kind of I that is what I was hoping for with this game Was more of that kind of feeling and like a more of a horror setting Instead of just limbo fucking limbo limbo ninja theory limbo ninja theory ninja theory limbo limbo, you know, I gotcha I want to get back to what we were talking about the baby boss Baby boss fetus deletus Oh, that's right. Yeah, that was weird. That was fucking weird It was yeah, that was the hardest boss for me. I did die one time and I had to start over really fetus deletus I did not make that up. Someone else made that up, but I thought it was funny to me Uh, yeah, that was the toughest boss for me in the game Oh, what was the reference they were making at the gun going way back to the beginning of the game? Um as he was Through the whole beginning intro a white wig fell on his head. Yeah I assume it was from a different game. Was it like a character or something? It's it's what he looks like and when he gets older oh yeah, and that was kind of that dude see and that's what I mean when I say like The intro of the game as a as a as a fan of the series when I was a kid I was like, yeah, this is pretty neat, you know, like they they do a little callbacks to the earlier games and stuff Yeah, so he has like a blonde like platinum whitish blonde hair, whatever Okay, and he even starts to get a little bit of that as he becomes more devilish Yeah, so yeah, so are the other games? the other games are dante Except for four dante is presented as a villain in devil may cry 4 I don't think he actually is but he has the blonde hair. He is the character of those games Um, right putting in the chat real quick just so you can see What the what he looks like in the later titles is the biggest picture in the world That I sent you Oh, okay. Yeah, see i've seen i've seen that Yeah, yeah, so that's what he and that's why the wig was like, oh not in a million years or something like that Yeah Okay. Okay You maybe experience this but probably not it was worse later on in the game But the camera in this game was absolutely atrocious, dude. Did you? Did you have a lot of camera issues or or was it pretty tame for you? I don't think it either I didn't play enough Of it to see an issue or it was fine There was one thing where I was just tired of dealing with these certain enemies There's like certain enemies that you they like teleport around they're like samurai looking guys Or like ninja characters ninja theory characters, right and they teleport around they take so long to beat at least with the play style I had they would just take forever because you'd have to like wait for an opportunity to actually attack them And I just ran away from it But the camera was snapping back to the thing even though I was like five minutes away from playing against that enemy and it would just like i'd be like running and try to go into a door and the camera would like Do a fucking 270 back to where this guy was three rooms ago, right? They're wanting you to to beat all the all the baddies Yeah, this guy should have been spawned or something and and the camera should And then I would fight the camera in like enclosed spaces, too That's just a big complaint. I have about the game in general. The combat was good, but the camera was 50 of the difficulty Oh Hey guys alec here Wanted to jump in real quick and give you a little reminder of what we've got going on behind the scenes First off there's an extended version of this episode available on our new patreon page right now All the extra banter tangents and off-topic rants we inevitably go on. Oh, and yep. It was available last week That's right for a dollar a month. You get them early and they're extended episodes. You can find them at patreon.com Slash three two and backlog also while you're tracking down our extra content consider following us on our socials Three two one backlog on tiktok instagram and whatever twitter happens to be called this week All right recap. We have patreon socials and we're going to get back to the episode So, yeah, we kind of talked about the final boss I knew from later on in the series that virgil was going to end up being bad I just never really understood why he became bad. I guess he just was trying to I don't know There were hints that he was going to be a bad guy through the game If he would never played any of them before like he was willing to leave the girl the medium. Yeah. Yeah He's like, oh, yeah, fuck her. She doesn't matter anymore Yeah, and then he ends up being the final final boss, which was very Boring and easy it felt like those bosses the enemies that I said I hated it felt like that And virgil is in in the other games He he'll be like a quick fight that you'll have to go through I think in pretty much every game It's usually a really good time because it's like challenging and he has a lot of very similar moves to you but in this game I didn't enjoy it very much and I had this issue too where I would I would be trying to kill him And he would like stop and then regenerate his health and I didn't realize that you needed to use the devil trigger thing to even Be able to kill him Right, but that was the only time I ever used the devil trigger the entire time. I played the game I guess it's very overpowered, but I just never felt the need to use it, right? Yeah, there's there's um, it reminded me Down to the color scheme. It reminded me. Um of an ability or like a thing you get in ghost of uh, tashima Which is like I think it's called the ghost stance Um, it's very powerful and all that and it's really cool But it it's so awkward to use that it ends up Not being appealing to use it Right if that if that's kind of how the devil trigger is coming across it kind of reminds me of like god of war the Rage state whatever it's called. I've spartan rage. I hardly used it unless it was like a I absolutely needed A break from getting wailed on or I needed to feel so I just never ended up using it in this game Because it didn't it was not a very challenging game to me these enemies. They don't have a way to break a combo So if you're beating the shit out of them They did they never really had a way to interrupt you the way that they do in other games. So what was your uh, What was your favorite weapon that you played with? um, I I like I like ranged stuff Okay, so even though I felt like they didn't they didn't do much damage. I did like the guns I think the handguns themselves only existed for the most part to help you keep your combo going Right for the did you like the rating system? I'll ask about that and then we can go right back I just I don't want to forget the thing at the top and at the end too. Yeah, how you had a system for each mission Oh, no, no Yeah, that's that's the thing equating it to my favorite series assassin's creed one thing that Which one was it unity did? Was every time you finished a mission it would pause the game and say like How did you like it have any feedback? It would like broke you from the game to have like a menu to look at it's like well fuck off. I let me play Yeah, right if I continue playing that's how much I like the game. I don't need to do this extra step Right, so I I I don't I don't think I got to too many of them and then later on the playthrough. I watched Skipped those screens. Yeah, so I don't think I was as aware of them. Yeah, but that I don't don't for this kind I don't maybe for this devil may cry type of game. It's a little bit more appropriate, but typically I would not want that Put into my game I feel like it's a staple of the series for the most part because it was It was necessary probably on the first games when they were on playstation 2 but I I hope that as they go forward they will come up with a way to incorporate it and Make it different and new and feel more modern because it does feel right getting kind of old after 20 years Yeah, if okay, so the the the the system in the screen appears you finish the game and then at the bottom of the screen See your rating if you want hold x or whatever and you can if you want to or you can ignore it and continue to play The video game you just start loading it while it's putting up the stats or something like that, you know kind of like help Yeah, yeah Yeah, I want to keep going back to god award. Yeah, if you're going into if you're going into a load screen Okay, cool. Now you can show to me while we're loading check out how you did on your last mission. That's fine yeah, right and I I hate I hate getting to get to games and then shitting on them, but um Because I think because this type of game this is my first Go at this type of game and it just I didn't it didn't have the appeal right? So i'm i'm trying to find uh I'm trying to find the what what people are finding it enjoyable about it. I'm trying to there are things I liked about it But there are things that seemed unnecessary and things that could be taken out And I don't think you would have lost anything from the enjoyment of the game I think that it's kind of aged a little bit poorly. I don't know. I I I think also there's like the nacelle, you know, the crotch shots and the intro and all that and and the and the the Demon pounding in the middle of the game wasn't wasn't right for you It is funny going back and playing games where the even just the dialogue is like it would not pass today No, it's kind of how do you see that have you seen disney plus and netflix every time there's like they'll they'll put disclaimers up like oh this this came out in a time where xyz was Acceptable or I haven't seen that but I believe What was one I think like, uh, like the early like the animated pocahontas for example, I think Warnings on it now. Wow. Yeah, it's a great time with living some with boner warnings Uh That's i'm a little mermaid that joke was made during a time where that was funny and okay Oh my god, dude, I want to say too man for for being I don't remember much From the series other than the very first game because that's the one that I really have spent the most time on The enemies in the first game were pretty fucking cool, dude There were like marionettes with like bladed arms and stuff like that and that sounds cool Yeah, and then there would be like these they were like dogs kind of that were actually just shadows and they could they had all these crazy moves where they could like shift and morph very quickly and like they would like Turn into a spike and just have like a very like a lunging attack without moving The enemies in this game were as generic as they could possibly fucking be like Stygians or whatever. I don't they're just generic monsters and then there's the flying variety of these like stupid fucking cherubs Yeah, like just I don't care dude Pathos or whatever. Yeah, and then they would introduce like the like every single time you come up with a new enemy they just like You know cherub 2.0 this one has a shield you deal with it the exact same fucking way yeah, that was really and that was that was just it seemed like that was so unnecessary because it broke you from what you Were doing if for like the first enemy or two It was interesting But then when it's like after the 15th one, you're like this is enough. I don't I don't eat all of this. Yeah, I agree The game I feel like we are shitting on it a lot, but we're critiquing it, right? Yeah, that's what we're here to do. We're experts We are dude. We're literally professionals by definition. I think I enjoyed the game I really did and I and I I do have nostalgia for the series like it This was a game that I used to play a lot when I was a kid on playstation 2 I am a fan of the series I liked the like, you know callbacks and everything like that But there's a reason that I think if you're a fan of this game You probably or if you're a fan of this series You probably understand the shit this the complaints and everything that we're saying because this game Isn't perfect and I think it is considered a low point in the series by most gameplay wise It was good. The combat was fast, but there was a lot of bad decisions being made in it. Yeah, you know, I The bit I played I did enjoy Yeah, but when I when I broke myself of that initial session Right there wasn't enough of an appeal to get back into it Yeah, and i'll say man like I even though I like the game there's a reason why I started running past enemies and getting the camera to snap back like I was just trying to get through it because I I knew I I knew I was going to right but I It didn't take long before some of the magic faded out of this game for me Yeah, I did enjoy it if you like devil may cry or these types of games just play it It's they these things go on a long time, you know, so just get in there It was what I think how long did it take you to finish what nine? Eight or nine hours. I think it was seven man. I think I finished it in like seven hours I played through it pretty quickly I mean I It says 9.1 But there was a time where I left it up and I went in like eight and made some food and stuff like that Yeah, my dude my my little nightmares playthrough is gonna say it was like 20 hours Because I kept having to put my fucking Uh controller down or I log in and then the baby started crying or something like it's it's fun Um when we did that other game It took me seven and a half hours total and I did get up and walk around from it for a while When I got up and uh, what am I saying man? Submerged that game said it took me 13 hours to beat because I let I fell as I play I beat it and then I put My uh backbone down and my computer stayed on all night So when I woke up in the morning, I saw it was still up on my pc in the morning And I was like man, it says it took me 13 hours to beat an autopilot game Do you think it fit the spooky theme at all? So I I don't know about you. I don't like scary. Yeah, okay so for me The reason I pitched some of these games was because I knew I wasn't going to like need to put it down Or go stay up all night and put the lights on so Would you say it hit the sweet spot for your spooky threshold? Uh, no I wanted to start because we're going to have three Hello, not halloween. We're gonna well ish. We're gonna have three october episodes. So I wanted to ease in and get people into like A game that's like themed Towards things that can go around in october. So we got demons and devils Crying like doing this Uh, the devil may cry have very good like cosplay opportunities. That's a really you know for all those like japanese style games have very Memorable character design right everything about this guy says halloween costume. Of course. Yeah Yeah, I mean that jacket great So I I wanted just to bring that That to the table and then as we get into october, I think i'm going I was going more for like the feeling While playing it right so like in in Uh, because we've already announced our games little nightmares I think for me so far has been the quote-unquote scariest game It's not the scariest by any means, but I think the things you see on the screen in one and I also played two It's got some stuff. That's like it makes. Yeah, like a little bit of horror element. Yeah Yeah, this game was very light on that. I In a super light actually, yeah, it was more it was more like The it was more like the theme is Is is a more dark but the execution Not so much the bosses had the spookiness. So maybe a little bit like fetus elitist the yes Yeah, the second guy the the cut scene with with her skin coming off when they're when they're boning in the office and all that Like that kind of stuff Where you where when you see it you're like, oh, wait a minute because at first with that scene in particular at first I thought it was like a graphical issue And I know Yeah, so i'm like, oh and then you sit there and you you think about it for a minute. Oh, no something else is happening Yeah, that's gross. That's what I wanted to bring to Our october series sure Definitely, you know, uh, I think I think this was a good intro into it. I think little nightmares for me It was probably the creepiest of them all. I'm i'm currently getting through some of um, We happy few. Oh, no, we we scheduled it for little nightmares to come out at the end Yeah, so little nightmares is going to be our closest to halloween episode and and it sure sure will be the spookiest one. Yeah um, we happy few i'm playing through right now and It's I think for a theme it's more like Oh, that's like it's like like Psychologically creepy. I think where that where that falls Yeah, okay And i'm holding that one that being all that being said do you think that you would? Ever have any interest in playing other games from this series for leisure or business not for leisure Okay, so all right, i'm just curious, um, well are any are any of the earlier ones Shorter because I I knew going into this Well, no, okay so so little nightmares limbo stray uh inside Those were all four to five hours and got a good chunk of it Like I I think also going into this I knew I was going to have to have I was going to have to do multiple sit-downs Okay, and I tell you the the couple that we've done where it's it's like a one session play I I think i've enjoyed those the most Playing through them. I just want to say something and this is strictly an opinion, but you're I think you're wrong But listen though listen I think that if this game Was more enjoyable the time to complete it wouldn't matter at all because god of war was good I mean, it was one of the longer games that we played. I agree. I agree with that Yes, I think that if a game has to be short to be good it's not a good game Sorry, that wasn't the angle. I was trying to go at it was more If if the earlier one because I know i'm not going to enjoy them So if you brought an earlier one to the backlog If it was a shorter game I would probably be okay with playing it for the podcast. Yeah, because I would only have to I would only have to to to uh Allocate the four or five hours of my time, right? I know I I I I agree. I game. Yeah, a good game doesn't matter how long it is, right? I didn't find this good for me. I would agree. It was mediocre at worst At no at its greatest point. I think at bob fucking barbus. It was mediocre i'll give it two bob barbuses out of two three two Mandungas who was the guy mangus mungus mandingus mandingus three mandinguses And a succubus you want to know what that also sounds pornographic that has It's good. Uh mundus is actually the first boss of the or the last boss of the first game too but he's different very different and And much better done I would like to one day play the first game It is on I have it on steam it is on steam and it's been upgraded to be hd I'd like to play it just so you understand where the series was coming from and why I have like a little bit of nostalgia for it other than the you know, Familial ties of of everything but the gameplay itself. It's only a six hour game according to how long to beat our favorite website And it was a better game I think by a large amount Yeah, it's my favorite that i've played in the series was the I am i'm definitely i'm definitely open to playing it I won't absolutely say no If if we're not doing it for the podcast, i'll probably never pick it up Right similar similar to uh to like diablo I had no plans of playing diablo, but we brought it for the podcast and it will for other reasons but um, Yeah, but if if we if we're like hey one day we're gonna go and play this absolutely. Let's do it Okay. Well, I think I think that's all there is to discuss about it. I think it is I'm gonna let you go ahead and start the uh the outro Um while I go change my my co-host's diaper, okay Say bye Bye everybody Thanks so much for listening that wraps up our discussion for dmc devil may cry 2013 If you enjoyed this episode Please let us know with a thumbs up a comment or sharing with your friends and family If you're able to do so play along with us for our next game, which will be we happy to you We'll post upcoming games to our social media and what games are next at the end of the episode, which I just announced This has been three two one backlog with alec and james You can connect with us on our social media pages by sending us an email at three two one backlog at gmail.com Find us at three two one backlog on instagram tiktok Facebook marketplace craigslist backpages anything you need and until next time I like it raw You